this occured to me in the car today.. lenin - the true believing idealist who launched the revolution.
the dream was to throw off the shackles of oppression (this system of things) and create a new utopia of a worker's paradise (paradise earth).
ct russel.
Pretty slick stuff, I'm impressed. Rank and file dubs vs. Russian citizens, the defections, the seeing how life was on the otherside (the West) while the administration continued to them them we were the devil incarnate and they lived in a perfect society.
So, is Bethel the Berlin wall, are we going to be around to take that bad boy down?
now before i offend everyone who labels themselves christian.
well, in my time as a christian.
a fake christian!
Interesting question. About half the time I think they are "fake", I'll just get the vibe that the whole production serves some end for them and I just roll my eyes the same way I do when I see a kid who works at McDonalds wearing a rolex watch.
The other half of the time I think they really believe in what they are doing and I'm just baffled becasue I just don't get it. I just don't understand that sort of devotion or super spirituality if you will.
after starting a thread yesterday and taking in the various responses i feel i should set the record straight on a couple of things.over the last couple of days aswell as here i have joined jwo and slippys too.im not a troll but im not a board virgin either.these three particular sites have been mentioned to me (not quite recommended)by an ex-witness, so i thought id have a look see for myself.
it feels like i know several characters already very well (having had indepth conversations about them)but im very suprised at the size of the community you have here.i was raised a witness but never baptised.family still all are and in fairness treat me very well as do members of my old congregation when i bump into them.i guess thats enough for now,cant be giving too much away this is the internet after all.
btw..at times i realise i am not the best speller in the world(i struggled all the way through school),but to those people who replied to my thread just to point that out..bite me!your no different than the the type of elder who completely missed the point of how hard it was being a young jw but still took great pleasure in telling you how sports socks were not appropriate attire for the meetings.sheesh.
Welcome to the forum. I hope you enjoy your stay. Your story sounds very similar to mine, the best thing I ever did was not getting baptized, my family treats me decently as yours does. I really feel for those that are subject to shunning, that has to be terrible.
I think you'll find the ex-dub community to be larger than you ever suspected, I know I was shocked, and hopefully it will grow everyday.
this is cool.
there are other sites out there but this is the coolest by far.
been df'd since 1981. spent a long time tormenting and pursecuting the jw's.
Hola!
how many of you quit school to pioneer or just because?
and please explain why you quit...
also: did you go to college?
Never pioneered.
Finished high school. Went to college where I got a dual bachelors in math and english. Then post baccaulerate work in accounting. Then my masters in Taxation. Then law school for my juris doctorate. Then sat for the CPA exam. Ten freaking years, I must have been nuts, but I had a big chip on my shoulder from being raised a dub. Born in, never baptized.
At first my parents did everything they could to talk me out of it. When it became apparent that wasn't going to work they were mostly indifferent and I think always waiting for me to fail. By the time I finished law school they had come around and were very enthusiastic.
most of us remember the society's viewpoint of using marijuana.
countless of articles condemed the drug saying it was mind altering and allowed a place for the demons.. articles were abundant concerning the greek word "pharmakia"..or druggery and included marijuana as being a part of that.
but alas!
The WBTS is one of the most legalistic faiths you can possibly find which leads to often absurd outcomes with regards to their dogma. One only has to look at the blood issue which is totally FUBAR to realize what happends when you legalize articles of faith.
aight.
i was raised in the jws, but i'm still young (22) and all my life what i've been told is that the society never really promoted 1975 as the definitive year for the coming of armageddon.
what i was always told is that some overzealous witnesses took certain things out of context and developed a very extreme reaction - ie selling their houses, quitting their jobs, dropping out of school, etc.
All I can tell you is what I saw and heard. In our congregation and at the assemblies we attended it was very much the buzz, it was on the tip of everyone's tongue, speculation was rampant, everyone was holding their breath, the tension was electric. Every news story that came out was disected for signs that "this is it". Frankly, as a child I lived in terror for the whole year.
vendors of paradise in district xvi
cafe babel - strasbourg,france .
jehovahs witnesses are often criticised.
117500 for each of the 6 million
i sometimes wonder if perhaps some of the higher ups in the organization are visiting this forum.
perhaps it has become a valuable source for them to "test the waters" before something goes public to see what the reaction would be?
am i overreacting?
I'm sure they do, and sadly I bet they pick up some information that benefits them, but such is life. I really think the internet and their unwillingness to go mainstream will be the death of them as far as a major sect.
Wouldn't it be a hoot if a GB member showed up on one of these boards?
has anyone ever stop to realize that since the new change in thought regarding the generation that jesus spoke about was from references dated: (w95 11/1 pp.
1011 saved from this wicked generation...).
1957 walter bauer's greek-english lexicon.... 1940 or so w.e vine's expository dictionary.... 1964 theological dictionary of the new testament.
The whole thing would actually be hysterically funny if it wasn't for 6 million or so folks jacking their lives around on behalf of the GB and their New Light.
